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- From: kathomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karl Thomas)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: 4 Mar 1996 10:57:31 -0700
- Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept.
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- solar@dozy.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Solar) writes:
-
- >In article <3134A895.193E@sound.net>, you write:
-
- >Who needs SVGA? I am doing fine with my workbench. I can choose:
- >660x440 pixel, 60 Hz, 256 color (DBLNTSC with Overscan),
- >660x550 pixel, 50 Hz, 256000 color (DBLPAL with Overscan and the HackAGA-
- > program from AmiNet that allows for
- > HAM8-Workbench),
- >800x600 pixel, 72 Hz, 256000 color (SUPER72 interlaced and HackAGA).
- >I do not need any grafic card for this. If I need more gfx power, I add
- >one and go for 1600x1280 pixels at true color. duh.
-
- Do you really want to compare an interlaced graphics mode to SVGA? HAM
- is so slow its basically unusable. Why is it that anything that the Amiga
- doesn't have that every modern platform has, the Amiga doesn't need? One
- minute Amiga users say "We don't need fast processors" and the next minute
- you're bragging about Vapor-PowerAmiga.
-
- >Who needs Netscape? I do not have Internet access or software at home, but
- >I am using 486-66 units with Netscape at the University. And boy, I really
- >cannot understand the Netscape hype. There are Web Browsers for the Amiga.
-
- Right/ What Web Browser for the Amiga supports frames, JavaScript, Java,
- ShockWave, RealAudio, a VRML broswer, cookies, and the myriad of other
- Netscape plug-ins.
-
- >I don't know quake or nascar. Do *you* know Worms? By chance I know the so-
- >called "minimum resources" needed for this nice piece of gaming for the PC:
- >386-40, 4 MByte RAM, CD-ROM. *ha!* I played just the same game on my friend's
- >A500 (MC68000, 7 MHz, 512 KByte RAM, 1 floppy drive, no HD).
-
- You're comparing Quake and Nascar to Worms? Why would anyone care about
- either a 386 or an a500? They are both old and outdated. What
- difference does it make when people are buying $1100 PowerMacs and
- Pentium systems?
-
- >Overpriced? I got my A1200 including a very fine monitor, a very comprehensive
- >software package and a HD for 1500,- DM. That's about 1000$. Then I added some
- >RAM. Let's say 4 MByte, which makes for a total of 6 MByte. This is an aweful
- >lot for the target user of the A1200 (entry level means improved typewriter,
- >if you face it). 100,- DM for the board, 200,- DM for the SIMM. 1800,- DM or
- >1200$.
-
- You're bragging about this? For $1300 you can get a PowerMac 6116 with
- 8Megs of RAM, a 500Mb Hard Drive, a good quality 14" monitor, a modem, a CD-ROM
- drive, and loads of software
-
- >Now give me *your* calculation. You'll need at least a 486DX-66 to run Win95,
- >the only Windows version that can even *dare* to call itself a competetive OS.
- >To run it and its applications *without disk swapping* as comfortably as with
- >my 6 MB A1200, you will need at least 12 MByte of RAM, perhaps even 16 MB.
- >You need an E-IDE Controller and a harddisk of 630 MByte *MINIMUM*, facing the
- >size of Win95 and the 32bit Software coming with it. You need a VGA/SVGA gfx
- >card, a soundcard of at least 8bit, 4 channel stereo. You will need a CD-ROM,
- >because Win95 applications are hideously big. You need a 14" monitor. You need
- >software: Win95, Word for Win95, Excell for Win95, Access for Win95, CorelDraw
- >for Win95. An organiser (I cannot think of one for the PC right now, but won't
- >be hard) *IN 32bit OR IT WON'T PREEMPIVELY MULTITASK*, a DataStore-equivalent
- >(dto) and a PhotoGenics-Equivalent (dto). A pinball game and a jump-and-run
- >game. Then you will have to install everything - and get it to work smoothly
- >together. Oops, I forgot ScalaMM300. You need a MultiMedia presentation pro-
- >gramm, too.
- >Now, you have a system that is comparable in performance to the A1200. Go to
- >your local store, face them this list and then tell me how much they would
- >charge for it *including assembly and installation*.
-
- Besides the software, which you would have to pay extra for also, you can
- get a dx/2-66 with all of the hardware you named for less than $1300 and
- you would have a much faster system. Just look in Computer Shopper
- sometimes.
-
- >And you have a system that *creeps* along and that is not really supported
- >any more because the market shifts to the Pentium/PCI. Duh.
-
- A dx/2-66 doesn't creep along at all. But if a dx/2-66 creeps, an Amiga
- must run backwards.
-
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